HOW MANY AUTOMATIC ROUTES are able at V1.4 ?

  • COMMANDER -1:



    Hello. Please help with organizing routes.


    I have about 600 different routes, where first 130 are automatic, remaining routes are manual.


    Often automatic searching of routes at fully automatic mode is seems as unreasonable freezing and routes look like as unreasonable locking when i try to launch it manually.
    Only reset automatic button helps to activate it.


    May be i exceed limit of routes/automatic routes?



    COMMANDER-2


    Does it have conversion programm to move trackplan, routes, locos from Commander 1 ?
    When i can see hardware description?



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    Vadim

  • Hallo Vadim,


    Viessmann has made puplic, that you can transfer all dates from c1 to c2,
    but not return c2 to c1.


    I don`t know how many routes are avaiable I think we must wait till c2 is ready.

    Viel Grüße
    Dieter Riethenauer


    Commander 1.402, seit 12.07, Fleischm.profigleise N
    Viessmann u. Uhlenbrock Schalt/Magnetartikeldekoder
    Rocco RM 10787 am LSB hinter Viessmann BM 5206,
    Viessmann Booster ECO4, Win 10- 64bit

  • Cited: "I don`t know how many routes are avaiable I think we must wait till c2 is ready."
    I mean this about C1.


    Namely, the Question is:


    How many automatic routes are available at Commander-1 ?
    or
    Wwhich numbers are reserved for automatic routes?


    I have a Commander-1 and about 150 first numbers of automatic routes. Routes 150-600 are manual.


    I have unexplainable stop searching automatic routes in autpomatic mode.
    I also have all routes locking after first start of any manual route.
    I still cannot find out a reason.


    Please, Help.


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    Vadim

  • Hallo Vadim,


    dass die von dir genannte Einschränkung beim c1 existiert war mir nicht bekannt.
    Ich gehe davon aus, dass der c2 mindestens ebensoviele wie der c1 hat.
    Für eine Bekanntgabe dieser Werte nehme ich an, dass Viessmann einen fortgeschritteneren
    Entwicklungsstand des c2 abwarten wir um definife Aussagen zu treffe.
    Als muss man abwarten,bis sich Viessmann meldet.

    Viel Grüße
    Dieter Riethenauer


    Commander 1.402, seit 12.07, Fleischm.profigleise N
    Viessmann u. Uhlenbrock Schalt/Magnetartikeldekoder
    Rocco RM 10787 am LSB hinter Viessmann BM 5206,
    Viessmann Booster ECO4, Win 10- 64bit

  • Hallo,
    wie im Handbuch unter 2.4.2 steht, kann der Commander 1 1000 Fahrstrassen verwalten. Das ist die gesamte Menge an Fahrstrassen, egal ob manuell, teilautomatic oder vollautomatik. Also zum Beispiel 300 manuell, 500 vollautomatik und 200 teilautomatik.
    Gruß Helmut



    Hello,
    As stated in the manual under 2.4.2, the Commander 1 can manage 1000 routes. This is the total amount of routes, whether manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic. So for example, 300 manual, 500 fully automatic and 200 semi automatic.
    Greetings Helmut

    Commander V. 1.4
    Märklin Test- und Vorführanlage, C-Gleis, K-Gleis

  • Danke Helmut für diese Antwort.


    Dies ist auch mein Kenntnistand. Ich habe nur nicht konkret widersprochen, da ich
    öfter was überlese.
    Im Übrigen meine ich, dass Viessmann gut daran tut nicht zu frühzeitig Details eines neuen Gerätes
    zu verraten.


    (Hallo Helmut, your answer is my mean too.
    And Viessmann works rigth by siing not to much about a new centrale so soon.)

    Viel Grüße
    Dieter Riethenauer


    Commander 1.402, seit 12.07, Fleischm.profigleise N
    Viessmann u. Uhlenbrock Schalt/Magnetartikeldekoder
    Rocco RM 10787 am LSB hinter Viessmann BM 5206,
    Viessmann Booster ECO4, Win 10- 64bit

  • Thanks for all.
    I have Commander 1 with 1.400 firmware, first about 150 automatic routes. Other are manual.



    When i start manual route, after it's end any other and absolutle independant route seems locked for Commander-1, although it's start conditions are true.
    Only reset automatic helps to start any of next one.
    May be, we have hidden restriction on maximal contact number? I have all 512 used.
    May be large numbers of contacts overlaps with functional memory? Or, may be last command field in route pages overlaps... ?
    What is Your experience with hidden properties of Commander-1?


    Please help.


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    Vadim

  • Hi Vadim


    I only use manual routes to provide actions that can’t find room in the automatic routes. I call the manual route from the automatic one by using the conductor.


    I have not had any problems. However I am only using about 100 routes.


    John

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.

  • About Conductor command: If i must precisely stop loco, at final contact i also must fulfill 2 comands simultaneously: 1. Stop loco 2. Turn off smoth velocity behavior, else i risk to run over turnouts.
    So, if i would use a Conductor, i must translate loco name to conductored route. How is it possible? Also, i must have pair of routes in each case, so i risk to get lack of free route slots. Also i risk to be confused! One route - One record!
    I found out another way : I join first S88 in with last s88 out, and set up Commander for 2 times quantities of s88 modules. So the same contact becomes 2 different contact numbers, because it rotates in this cycle 2 times.
    The problem solved, and now, at "on the way" page of route i be able record these 2 commands at different contact numbers, which are in fact the same contact and these 2 commands will be fulfilled! But i occupied all 32 module adresses, and cannot expand my layout. Another disadvantage - S88 system speed of address refresh becomes slow. ECOS works with s88 10 times faster, why Viessman have not adjustable s88 refresh rate?
    Why viessman bring us such anguish with restriction to do only single command per single contact? This is quite inconvenient and lead to so huge and confusing solutions!

  • At last, Probably, I find out the reason of locking , (when automatical finding and launching of routes becomes frozen)


    EXPLANATION:

    1) If i shut off auto Matrix Adjust in Route Editor, this locking disappears.

    2) But, when i press button "MTX ADJ" at route editor in safe matrix page, and save data for each route - number of routes wich intercepts editing route - often exceed 40 lines! So, some crossing routes which not in this list leads to train crash!


    QUESTIONS:

    1) Can Viessman increase the length of this list?


    GENERAL QUESTIONS:

    2)Does this problem solved in Commander - 2 ?

    3)Where can i read about Commander 2 in comparison with Commander-1 (V1.4)?

    4) Does Viessmann plan to make new upgrades for Commmander-1?


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    Vadim