Posts by vadimav

    Hello Vadim,

    what you mean with " Folge " comand ? I don't know this comand .please explain.

    when you use a manual Route why you use contact fields in which section and card ? for what ?

    one example please

    1) I mean Folge Command which appears in Photo below.




    I use 1.41 firmware.



    2) I use about more than 500 manual routes. Usually, they works as shunting routes which controlled manually, by pressing start and stop buttons. They also must check contacts as a condition of safe work, and avoiding other hostile routes automatic or manual. (for example, uncoupling, changing Loco or route to turntable with turntable control feedback)



    3) I want to use single sensor for multiple command execution. For example, to make the precise stop at the end of station track. Loco approaches to the output red light at minimal speed (1 at Viessman speed units ), pulling in track last tail cars from the turnout street, and release turnout's and last lights sensor.


    To stop train precisely at the output short sensor near thr output lights, i must send 2 commands: 1- LocoIDFStop and 2- F4 on. F4 shuts off smooth behaviour of loco. If no F4 - it leads to train to unexpectable crawling out via red lights to stop at output turnouts. To make this according Viessman Rule (single contact = only one command [very nonconveniend = twiced quantity of sensors]) i am forced to use 2 electrical modules for one physical sensor. So, i have 2 sensor addresses and 2 these uppermentioned commands.


    See 10 year old video, but problem still remains:


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    ( I can not use short contact as finish contact in aim of unstable current pickup by 1 or 2 axles. )



    FOLGE command may help to use single sensor to 2 command's execution simultaneously.


    But it use external manual route. In automatic route generation mode Commander may miss the attention (fulfilling 5 or more routes simultaneously) , and he may miss this route and train will miss to stop.


    Is It so or Is'nt it? Have Commander ultimative control for FOLGE command execution ?


    Also Commander sometimes forget to execute Function commands in swich and on the way pages, and it's critical too.



    4) Example od Folge command and manual route with sensors:


    It is obvious, Commander have not auto-lock system of signals and signals can be controlled only from routes. Commander also have not route with multiple stops (subroutes). Commander also have not feedback from turnout positions... All this is as awish for future



    I try to modell four-digit auto-lock system. So, i must detect how many block-sections are free behind a traffic light. No - red, 1- Yellow, 2- Yellow-green, 3-green. If i use only automatical routes - a lot of routes must be written to embrace all these cases. It can lead to the Viessmann Commander Safe Matrix can be overloaded. As i written earlier, it stop working when more than 24 routes is crossing (detected experimentally, and no any Viessman warnings. Layout suddently stop working ).



    As known, routes have combined field of feedback sensors which used as a route start condition and as safety condition or abscense of occupancy, named as "contacts page". they are a two different things! I mean for example, not start-sensor, but condition for start not short but only long route (with all traffic lights street along it), if all sensors are free , or start short route only when more distant sensors are busy, excluding it's start when distant sensors are free. I use marking it as RED in contacts field not as meaning of on the way occupansy, but as start condition meaning.


    As a wish - have 2 separate fields: A) start condition, which not in the safe matrix, and B) safety sensors which must be not occupied. Now, contacts with 2 meanings pointed in single combined field (safe contacts which must be free and condition contacts which may be free and busy). So, started route will block other routes which contacts used as a condition only, and have not real way crossing ( occupied contacts of other routes at side sensors which not in the way of this route).



    So, FOLGE command to manual route which must check sensors, and if they are free, swich lights from yellow to yellow green and fastly finish. If condition is wrong - it does not start and lights remains as yellow. Unfortunately manual routes with contacts is also included into safe matrix ad may overload it, so, there it restricts wide application of it.

    Der Befehl „FOLGE“ von der automatischen Route muss die manuelle Route auf der Seite „On the Way“ adressieren.
    - Wenn die manuelle Route keine Kontaktfelder hat, werden Befehle von der "Wechselseite" ausgeführt und der Lokname ist derselbe.
    -Wenn eine manuelle Route Kontaktfelder hat, wird sie bei richtigem Kontaktstatus ausgeführt. Andernfalls Route abgelehnt.

    Es ist allgemein bekannt, dass Commander es manchmal versäumt, Lokfunktionsbefehle auszuführen, die in "Seite wechseln" platziert sind. (dargestellt im "Schaltfeld" der Fahrstraße, aber nicht im Anzeigebildschirm bei in loco wenn Fahrstraße beginnt)


    FRAGE: Wenn 2 oder mehr Fahrstraßen mit unterschiedlichen Loks gleichzeitig FOLGE-Befehle an dieselbe manuelle Fahrstraße senden, werden dann alle diese Befehle für alle diese Loks garantiert erfüllt (gibt es eine Befehlswarteschlange?), oder werden einige von ihnen abgelehnt? Kann ich den FOLGE-Befehl in verantwortungsvollen Fällen (bei Bremsen) verwenden?



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    QUESTION: FOLGE command execution with guarantie or occasionally, if 2 routes send it simultaneously to one manual route? Automatic mode


    "FOLGE" command from automatical route must adres manual route in "On the Way" page.


    -if manual route have not contact fields it execute commands from "swich page" and loco name is the same.


    -if a manual route have contact fields it will execute in case of right contact state. Else, route rejected.


    It is well known, that Commander sometimes miss to do loco function commands placed in "switch page". (presented in "swich field" of route, but not done in indication screen at in loco when route starts)



    QUESTION: if 2 or more routes with different locos will simultaneously send FOLGE command to the same manual route , does all these commands for all these locos will fullfilled with guarantee (does queue of commands exists?), or some of them will be rejected? Can i use FOLGE command in responsible cases (in brake).

    Versteckte Regel für die Begrenzung der Routennummer im Auto Safe Matrix-Modus


    Experimentell festgestellt ist die versteckte Regel: nicht mehr als 24 Routen dürfen gleichzeitige gegenseitige Kontaktkreuzungen haben (Sie können es berechnen, indem Sie in den manuellen sicheren Matrixmodus wechseln), sonst ist die sichere Matrix überlastet und alle Routen werden so gesperrt (Sie können sie nicht starten manuell durch Drücken von Start und Stopp), wird die automatische Routensuche gestoppt. Es werden keine Warnmeldungen angezeigt. Es ist also eine strenge Regel. Es wurde viel Zeit aufgewendet, um es zu öffnen. Ich entferne viele Routen, um dieser Regel zu folgen.

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    Hidden rule for route number limit in Auto Safe Matrix Mode


    Experimentaly detected the hidden rule is: no more than 24 routes must have simultaneous mutual contact intersections(you can calculate it, switching in manual safe matrix mode), else safe matrix is overloading, and all routes becomes as locked (you can not start it manually by pressing start and stop), automatical route search process is stopping. No any warning mesages is appearing. So, it's a strict rule. A lot of time was spent to open it. I remove a lot of routes to follow this rule.

    Experimentaly detected the hidden rule is: no more than 24 routes must have simultaneous mutual contact intersections(you can calculate it, switching in manual safe matrix mode), else safe matrix is overloading, and all routes becomes as locked (you can not start it manually by pressing start and stop), automatical route search process is stopping. No any warning mesages is appearing. So, it's a strict rule. A lot of time was spent to open it. I remove a lot of routes to follow this rule.

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    Experimentell festgestellt ist die versteckte Regel: nicht mehr als 24 Routen dürfen gleichzeitige gegenseitige Kontaktkreuzungen haben (Sie können es berechnen, indem Sie in den manuellen sicheren Matrixmodus wechseln), sonst ist die sichere Matrix überlastet und alle Routen werden so gesperrt (Sie können sie nicht starten manuell durch Drücken von Start und Stopp), wird die automatische Routensuche gestoppt. Es werden keine Warnmeldungen angezeigt. Es ist also eine strenge Regel. Es wurde viel Zeit aufgewendet, um es zu öffnen. Ich entferne viele Routen, um dieser Regel zu folgen.

    Hello again!


    You say:



    "Hello Vadim,

    at the moment it is not possible to update Commander 1 "




    Please explain in detail when you will make Commander - 1 able for fast updates?


    -At one hand a big quantity people have it and encounter with inconveniences and bugs.


    -At the other hand Commander-2 is not ready, and, probably, will not have software compartibility with Commander-1. (download -upload backups from Commander-1 <-> Commander-2 )




    If Viessmann have not resources for supporting Commander - May be is it worth to open souce codes for all people, or make an "OPEN PROJECT" ?



    PLEASE, DONT MISS US!



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    Hallo wieder!

    Du sagst:


    "Hallo Vadim,

    Momentan ist es nicht möglich, Commander 1 zu aktualisieren. "

    .

    Bitte erläutern Sie ausführlich, wann Sie Commander - 1 für schnelle Updates aktivieren können.

    - Auf der einen Seite haben eine große Menge Menschen es und stoßen auf Unannehmlichkeiten und Fehler.

    - Auf der anderen Seite ist Commander-2 nicht bereit und wird wahrscheinlich keine Softwarekompartibilität mit Commander-1 haben. (Download-Upload-Backups von Commander-1 <-> Commander-2)

    Wenn Viessmann keine Ressourcen zur Unterstützung von Commander hat - Kann es sich lohnen, Quellcodes für alle Personen zu öffnen oder ein "OPEN PROJECT" zu erstellen?


    BITTE VERPASSEN SIE UNS NICHT! .

    About Conductor command: If i must precisely stop loco, at final contact i also must fulfill 2 comands simultaneously: 1. Stop loco 2. Turn off smoth velocity behavior, else i risk to run over turnouts.
    So, if i would use a Conductor, i must translate loco name to conductored route. How is it possible? Also, i must have pair of routes in each case, so i risk to get lack of free route slots. Also i risk to be confused! One route - One record!
    I found out another way : I join first S88 in with last s88 out, and set up Commander for 2 times quantities of s88 modules. So the same contact becomes 2 different contact numbers, because it rotates in this cycle 2 times.
    The problem solved, and now, at "on the way" page of route i be able record these 2 commands at different contact numbers, which are in fact the same contact and these 2 commands will be fulfilled! But i occupied all 32 module adresses, and cannot expand my layout. Another disadvantage - S88 system speed of address refresh becomes slow. ECOS works with s88 10 times faster, why Viessman have not adjustable s88 refresh rate?
    Why viessman bring us such anguish with restriction to do only single command per single contact? This is quite inconvenient and lead to so huge and confusing solutions!

    Thanks for all.
    I have Commander 1 with 1.400 firmware, first about 150 automatic routes. Other are manual.



    When i start manual route, after it's end any other and absolutle independant route seems locked for Commander-1, although it's start conditions are true.
    Only reset automatic helps to start any of next one.
    May be, we have hidden restriction on maximal contact number? I have all 512 used.
    May be large numbers of contacts overlaps with functional memory? Or, may be last command field in route pages overlaps... ?
    What is Your experience with hidden properties of Commander-1?


    Please help.


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    Vadim

    Cited: "I don`t know how many routes are avaiable I think we must wait till c2 is ready."
    I mean this about C1.


    Namely, the Question is:


    How many automatic routes are available at Commander-1 ?
    or
    Wwhich numbers are reserved for automatic routes?


    I have a Commander-1 and about 150 first numbers of automatic routes. Routes 150-600 are manual.


    I have unexplainable stop searching automatic routes in autpomatic mode.
    I also have all routes locking after first start of any manual route.
    I still cannot find out a reason.


    Please, Help.


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    Vadim

    COMMANDER -1:



    Hello. Please help with organizing routes.


    I have about 600 different routes, where first 130 are automatic, remaining routes are manual.


    Often automatic searching of routes at fully automatic mode is seems as unreasonable freezing and routes look like as unreasonable locking when i try to launch it manually.
    Only reset automatic button helps to activate it.


    May be i exceed limit of routes/automatic routes?



    COMMANDER-2


    Does it have conversion programm to move trackplan, routes, locos from Commander 1 ?
    When i can see hardware description?



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    Vadim

    Hello!


    I still a big Fan of Commander 1, because it's a single boxed control with applicable capabilities.


    In aim to improove train control i have some wishes for Commander 2:


    Are this features will be added to Commander 2?


    HARDWARE:


    1) Will ability to adjust S88 speed faster be integrated ?


    2) Will Independent DCC Accessory Output (which will be "ON" while short circuit on RAIL output) be implemented?
    (aim: for example: to restore wrong turnout positions in hidden area... )


    3) Will More dependable capasitive touchscreen be instead?


    Software:


    1) In Route Programming : Will "ON THE WAY" contact action expanded for multiple commands ?


    2) Will Ability for precise smooth loco stop using second contact for end feedback will be implemented?


    3) Will Bug when automatic continue working at short circuit be resolved?



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    Vadim

    Firmware 1.36 und Beispiel für Rangierarbeiten im Diorama


    Siehe Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDE2mJO69lo


    Eigenschaften:


    1) Vollautomatische gesamten Zyklus, von Viessmann Commander (tm).
    2) Autos werden von Kadee Kupplungsvorrichtung und Lokomotive automatisch Entkoppler ausgestattet.
    3) Walthers Gondel Auto Entlader Modell war zusätzlich mit Strom versorgt und motorisiert.
    5) Roco CHME-3-Lokomotive angetrieben durch ESU LokSound-4-Decoder mit Power-Pack. Haftreifen wurden entfernt. Räder wurden durch Federn ausgestattet. Spiel der Räder innerhalb Schienen, Achsen spiel innerhalb des LKW, und das Spiel von Lastwagen wurden in Ziel entfernt, um eine hohe Genauigkeit der Kopplung zu erreichen.

    Commander firmware 1.36 and example of shunting work diorama


    See video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDE2mJO69lo


    Features:


    1) Fully automated whole cycle, powered by Viessmann Commander(tm).
    2) Rolling stock are equipped by Kadee knuckle coupling, and locomotive distant decoupler.
    3) Walthers Car unloader dummy modell was additionally powered and motorized.
    5) Roco Chme-3 Locomotive powered by ESU LokSound-4 decoder with power-pack. Traction tires were removed. Wheels springed. Wheel backlash inside rails, axle backlash inside truck, and truck backlash were removed in aim to achieve high accuracy of coupling.


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    Vadim