Posts by vadimav

    John!
    I investigated all buses of Commander in case of Short Circuit, before develop this device.


    All buses, (DCC-Main, DCC-Prog, Buster-DCC Buster-MOT HiSpeedBus and LowSpeedBus, BUT NOT s88! ) are turned off at version 1.35 firmware!


    Right Commander's behaviour would be :


    1) Freeze automatic and all commands for troubled bus. S88 must be also freezed (optioonally selector at start-up)
    2) Turn-off only bus where troube occurs.
    3) Allow user to connect turnouts and signals to the DCC prog bus (optional selector at startup).
    This connection more professional, separating Rail DCC and Signal DCC buses, to wired separately!
    This solution would alllow to correct turnout positions, when DCC-Main is turned off.
    4) Turn-on DCC-Main gradually(selector at start up) . It's p[ossible to realize programmly, in new FirmWare, because Commander's PCB board allready has programmly-awailable DCC voltage regulator. This will avoid surge currents at startup, causing by powerpacks and decoder's capacitors.


    5) I allready wrote EMail to Jurgen. He send it to developers group. May be, some of these suggestions would be applied at next firmware.
    But it would be require some time, and I need to work right now! Therefore i develop these correction interface.



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    Vadim

    Hallo!


    Ich machte Korrektur -Schnittstelle einfach Platte für Viessmann Kommandant.


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    Es korrigiert :


    1) Es macht Sanftanlauf von Rail DCC Spannung. Es ermöglicht starten Schienen DCC ohne Überlastungen oder Stoßströme , während 1 Sekunde reibungslos erhöhen es von Null auf normalen DCC Spannung. . ( Es ist sehr nützlich für Layouts mit viel powerpacked Fahrzeuge ) .


    2) Sie fangen Kurzschlussstrom -Staaten , so dass Viessmann Commander weiterhin erzeugen DCC, und lassen Sie breaked Weichen in kurzen aktuellen Stand über separate Signal DCC BUS wechseln.


    3) Es ist auch erlaubt, Weichen-und Signalbefehle bei Kurzschluss Zustand übergehen ( Lok -Befehle werden ständig wiederholt , Weichen - und Signal Befehle sind Einzelbefehle ) Daher sind alle Routen korrekt zu erfüllen . Es überwindet Viessmann Kommandant BUG V1.35 , wenn sie versuchen, Befehle im Automatikmodus via
    ausgeschaltet DCC Bus, wenn Kurzschluss auftritt.


    4) Es macht S88 Freese bei DCC kurzen Strom , falsche Route Ausgangs vermeiden . Es macht Sinn für Stromsensoren ohne Frosteingang .


    P. S. :
    Ich mache meine eigenen Stromsensoren mit hoher Störfestigkeit Schutz, weil Viessmann 5233 haben schlechte Störfestigkeit Schutz.
    Diese Stromsensoren sind mit Viessmann 5217 s88 Blöcke verbunden.



    Ihre Fragen bitte .


    Kann diese Information hilfreich für jemanden sein .



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    Vadim .

    Hello!


    I made correction interface simply board for Viessmann Commander.



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    It corrects:


    1) It makes Smooth start of Rail DCC voltage. It allow start Rail DCC without overloadings or surge currents, smoothly increase it during 1 second from zero to normal DCC voltage. .(It very useful for layouts with a lot of powerpacked rolling stock).


    2) It catch short circuit current states, allowing Viessmann Commander to continue generate DCC, and allow to switch breaked turnouts at short current state via separate Signal DCC BUS.


    3) It also allows to pass turnout and signal commands at short circuit state (locomotive commands are repeated continuously , turnouts- and signal commands are single commands) Therefore all routes is fulfilling correctly. It overcomes Viessmann Commander BUG V1.35 when it try to send commands in Automatic Mode via
    turned off DCC bus, when short circuit occurs.


    4) It Makes S88 Freese at DCC short current, avoiding false route starting. It makes sense for current sensors without freeze input.


    P.S.:
    I make my own Current sensors with high noise immunity protection, because Viessmann 5233 have poor noise immunity protection.
    These current sensors are connected to Viessmann 5217 s88 blocks.



    Your Questions please.


    May be this information would be helpful for somebody.



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    Vadim.

    Dies ist ein N-Scale-Modell einer neuen Idee für echte Eisenbahnstrecken, wo elektrische Lok-Depot mit Positionierungssystem existiert! Die Substanz dieser Idee - Enden der Brückentrags entfernen während der Bewegung. VORTEILE: Keine irgendeine Ketten Spinne über dem Plattenteller! Keine irgendeine Lok werfen aus der Brücke durch Drehen! Keine Notwendigkeit der Stromabnehmer senken!


    Detailed Photos:
    http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/vadimav/album/177212/

    This is an N-Scale model of a new IDEA for real Railroads where electrical locomotive depot with positioning system exists! The substance of this idea - divertion bridge catenary from catenary near turntable ADVANTAGES: No any catenary spider over the turntable! No any loco throw off out of the bridge by turning! No need of pantograph lowering !


    Also, Viessmann trackplan adoptation and functionality are also showed:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwGWT3N4vI


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    Vadim



    Ok. Can You try to connect ViessMann Commander (instead of Roco/Lenz buster) using XPress or LSB cable into Lenz LI101/HSI USB computer interface, and try to read feedback at IBM-PC in Roco/Lenz format?
    May be, Commander allready send feedback data?


    If Yes, we would access feedback both - at Computer and at Commander screen/Trackplan
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    Vadim

    Thanks.
    But, may be, it would be to realise simpler?


    Does Commander send s88 occupancy data via XPress net port?
    Can You check this?


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    Vadim

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    Hallo!


    PROBLEM ERKLÄRUNG am Beispiel:
    Einige Depot an Bahnübergängen Layouts haben keine Turn-Table!
    Daher können Sie nicht drehen Lokomotiven!
    Dennoch können fast alle modernen Lokomotiven jede Seite als Vorderseite zu verwenden!


    Betrachten wir eine solche Situation:
    Lokomotive wird von Depot-Umzug in Empfang Abfahrt Hof mit Kommandant.
    Lokomotive in Zug kommen, so dass seine vordere Kabine gerade auf vagon.
    Als Ergebnis muss Lokomotive Lokomotive mit umgekehrter Richtung zu arbeiten.
    Wenn wir eine Route starten wir falsche Richtung der Zug Bewegung und Crash haben wird geschehen!
    Verwendung von Decoder "CV" s für die Umkehr ist nicht bequem!


    Ich SCHLAGEN:
    Bitte erlauben Platzierung 2 Checkboxen bei der Wahl Menü Lokomotiven für ZNR Felder Spur Diagramm.
    Richtung:
    (*) - Forvard
    (*) - Reverse-
    Und verwenden Sie dieses Flag auf "Commander"-Logik.


    Es wäre äußerst praktisch!


    FOR FUTURE:
    Bitte korrigieren Sie die Logik der Firmware, wo Richtung Auswahl der Bewegung in Strecken eindeutig mit Track-Plan verbunden wäre, mit Start-und End Kontakte unabhängig von Richtung Lokomotive. Richtung der Lok muss in ZNR Menü choosed, und dann ging für alle Routen von Relais - Rennen automatisch.
    Beim Rangieren (Lokwechsel) diese Richtung muss sich leicht in ZNR Menü korrigiert werden.

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    Vadim


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    Hello!


    PROBLEM EXPLANATION at EXAMPLE:
    Some depot at railroad layouts have not any Turn-Table!
    Therefore, You cannot rotate locomotives !
    Nevertheless, almost all modern locomotives can use each side as front side!


    Let us consider such situation:
    Locomotive is moving from depot into receiving-departure yard by using Commander.
    Locomotive join into train so that its front cabine watching onto vagon.
    As a result, locomotive must work as locomotive with reverse direction.
    If we launch a route we will have wrong direction of train motion and crash will happened!
    Usage of Decoder "CV"s for reversing is not convenient!


    I SUGGEST:
    Please allow placing 2 checkboxes at menu of choosing locomotives for ZNR fields at track diagramm.
    Direction:
    (*) - Forvard
    (*) - Reverse
    And use this Flag at "Commander" logic.


    It would be extremely convenient!


    FOR FUTURE:
    Please correct logic of firmware where direction selection of motion in routes would be unambiguously associated with track-plan, using start and end contacts irrespective from direction of locomotive. Direction of locomotive must be choosed in ZNR menu, and, then, passed for all routes by relay - race automatically.
    During shunting (locomotive change) this direction must be easily corrected in ZNR menu.

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    Vadim

    Hello!


    PROBLEM EXPLANATION at EXAMPLE:
    Some depot at railroad layouts have not any Turn-Table!
    Therefore, You cannot rotate locomotives !
    Nevertheless, almost all modern locomotives can use each side as front side!


    Let us consider such situation:
    Locomotive is moving from depot into receiving-departure yard by using Commander.
    Locomotive join into train so that its front cabine watching onto vagon.
    As a result, locomotive must work as locomotive with reverse direction.
    If we launch a route we will have wrong direction of train motion and crash will happened!
    Usage of Decoder "CV"s for reversing is not convenient!


    I SUGGEST:
    Please allow placing 2 checkboxes at menu of choosing locomotives for ZNR fields at track diagramm.
    Direction:
    (*) - Forvard
    (*) - Reverse
    And use this Flag at "Commander" logic.


    It would be extremely convenient!


    FOR FUTURE:
    Please correct logic of firmware where direction selection of motion in routes would be unambiguously associated with track-plan, using start and end contacts irrespective from direction of locomotive. Direction of locomotive must be choosed in ZNR menu, and, then, passed for all routes by relay - race automatically.
    During shunting (locomotive change) this direction must be easily corrected in ZNR menu.

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    Vadim

    Hello, John!


    As i understood, You propose me to make a reed-contact switch, which will commitate S88 cable from Layout between Commander and HSI88 inputs?


    P.S.
    Commander's s88 as well as HSI's s88 plugs generate syncrosignals to S88 and, then, receive datas. Therefore they cannot be used simultaneously. A short circuit will occur!


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    Vadim

    Hello. At some situations it would be convenient to activate "on the way" commands not only at sensor rise front but also at sensor release(fall front).


    Please, make this choise awailable at next firmware.
    It's easy and would allow to use less sensors at dead ends.
    Also, allowance of this choise would be useful at other pages in Route Editor!



    ALSO:
    Commander's BUG FIX required!
    BUG Description:
    Route Editor/"On the way" page:
    In list of two or more different commands having the same RM contact - only one command is executed! Other - ignored! Commander must execute all commands!


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    Vadim.



    Hello again!
    Thanks for respond!


    But i mean that S88(any kind) is connected to Commander and S88 Occupancy will be imagined as at Commander screen as well as in IBM-PC via Lenz LI or other interface.
    IS IT POSSIBLE?
    Does Commander translate S88 status into XPress net plug?
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    Vadim

    Hello to all!


    QUESTION:


    Does Lenz 2310 LI101F or Lenz 23151 Xpress to USB interfaces translate Commander's S88 occupancy status to IBM-PC?


    Which way these occupancy status can be readed via IBM-PC software(TrainController or other)? As Roco Ocupancy, or anyone else?


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    Vadim

    Yes, John
    Viessmann support team is very conservative and dont wish to change anything, loosing it's own money and market!


    I cannot imagine why so happens?


    Newertheless, let us continue:
    Also, it would be useful to add left and right sets of 24 hardvare buttons in new Viessmann Commander-2 together with implementing good screen without loosing of sensitivity, Windows portable system, and Freiwald portable Z21 TrainController 8.X or analogous ready-to use and bug-free train software.


    P.S.
    Jurgen, please dont delete this message. Simply, help to realise abovementioned ideas, any You havea lot of progress and money!
    If You wish, I, and other engineering people from forum always ready to help and can take these tasks and help Viessman to make it!


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    With wish for Viessmann to be active!
    Vadim.