Beiträge von vadimav


    Thanks John.


    1) For avoiding damage of reputation they may write and accept BETTA rules for Betta testers.
    2) I also told about some bugs and obviously convenient improvements there: http://www.viessmann-modell.co…m/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=853
    May be You already wrote this.
    3) In addition i propose approach for light signalling. Where lights will depends as from commands as well as from block sections and turnouts positions automatically.
    4) For best results J.Meier may restore BETTA versions and may propose to Viessmann head open direct communication line between users and programmers group there.
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    Vadim.


    Yes. I agree. This slow progress all because Viessmann has side group of programmers from another company, and feedback between Viessmann and this company is too slow. As a solution, i already told Viessmann Head and J. Meier - to make Viessman internal programmers group. But they still dont answer me about it. If they dont rapidly create this group, they risk to fail!


    ESU and other groups already plan to do automation in their trottles. They will use
    traincontroller-like algorythms in aim to dont invent bike itself.


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    Thanks, Vadim


    Ok. I closely work with routes and route editor.
    But i detect some new errors:


    1)For example - confusing in commands (switching ) page. if this error occurs, ater then some turnouts starts as not reacting at commands during automation and by manual swiching , Moreover: these turnouts are not imagining after confusion at diagramm, and starts imagining by another symbol at route/commands page . The nature of confusion i cannot still detect.
    This error was abscent at 1.050


    2)Imaging of busy(red) and trace(Yellow) routes is not correct during automation. Some busy parts remains bysy even after release(red). This error was abscent at 1.050.
    In addition, further trace imagining on diagramm (yellow) during automation dont imagine at new parts of diagramm when You shift the virtual screen.



    And main disadvantage - 1.070 HAVENT MORE SPACE FOR COMMANDS, ESPECIALLY IN "ON THE WAY" PAGE (there are only 3 pairs !!! ).


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    Vadim

    Hello. I change firmware of my commander from 1.052 to 1.070, but i cannot find out difference or corrected errors. A lot of errors remains the same + some new bugs were added.
    Please, place at forum full list of changes.


    Also, You can see at this clip (link below) my automatical train movements(my draft layout) after bug removal, and also can see that imagination of occupancy by red and traces by yellow color is so errorneous (time of clip: 09:00)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4hxSwWe8Vw


    And there is my sheet(photographed using panorama imaging :(
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5001/vadimav.4/0_46650_49911a2_XL]


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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    Sorry, but i ll say hardly:
    These things must be realised already yesterday!


    I think, Viessman must stongly activate the programmer's group. As i know, Viessmann uses side (off-site) programming organisation. I think, to have it's own programmer's group would be more robust and resultative. It's worth to do it! Please ask himself: How You ll support progress in the future with so non-dynamic velocity?


    All these hints, which i proposed are very simply to realise!
    There is non superstring theory calculations!


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    Vadim

    Hello. I m making my layout for next stage and plan to use lights.


    I plan to use 3-position lights:
    Simply: Red, Yellow and Green.


    I plan as manual switching (via automation Routes ) as well as block chain automation:


    Namely:
    Red - next block is occupied
    Yellow - Next neighbour to next block is occupied, next block is free
    Green 2 next block is free in chain.


    As i understood, Commander simply implements into automation binary system RED/GREEN, but in case of RED/YELLOW/GREEN/ system, writing a routes is complicating significantly!
    1)We have no space in block-dependant section of route.
    2) Passing at YELLOW is impossible.


    QUESTION:
    Can I implement this algorythm in Commander?


    MY WISH:
    Add to "lights adjustment" option next third page, where You can point method of switching as Manual/Block dependant.
    In case of block dependant mode You can appoint turnout's positions and block occupancy statuses to each light state.


    Where for choosen SIGNAL we have :


    1) State 1 - (can be choosen as red, yellow, green....; state 1 - state 8)
    This option must allows to choose conditions for all 8 states of each signal.

    CONDITIONS: (choosen light signal will "ON" in case of this conditions)


    A) Turnout position list: (T1-side, T2- forward... T25 -... )
    This list allow to enter as large as 25 states of turnouts


    B) List of Activated blocks:(block contact 1, block kontact 10.... list of 25 contacts)


    C) List of Deactivated blocks:.......



    2)State 2
    ...
    ...
    ...
    8) State 8



    What do You think about it?


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    Vadim

    Hello again!


    I m also thinking about using PC and Commander, while we have v052 with errorneous internal automation.


    (By the way, when Commander's group will upload new firmware at this web site?)


    Undoubtedly, You can use Commander as a booster, inserting any Xpress net trottle or computer via Xpress net! All ok except occupansy.
    What must We do for PC and Commander knowing occupancy simultaneously ?


    You can disconnect s88 from Commander and put it to LI interface.
    But why we must use Commander without indication of occupancy instead simply Roco buster?


    May be s88 multiplexors exists for this purposes?


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    Vadim

    Zitat von driethenauer

    Hallo vadim,


    Herr Meier wrote in short,
    the new update is just not by the betatesters.
    This will happens after the vacances in germany (middel of september).


    I think the new update can not come before end of octobre. (MY mean!)


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    Thanks,


    I think, they will make a serious modifications, and new firmware will be sufficiently better!


    Vadim.

    Hello!
    My answers:
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    to 1.) What do you mean for a joystick? In the middle of the commander? The commander has not so many buttons also not around all functions can do.


    = Yes, i mean middle joystick. It has ability to detect pressing on it.
    Use it as turnout switching if SQUARE Cursor at diagramm focused on Turnout.


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    to 2.) Do you mean the track diagram editor? Then Ok, I could imagine that also.


    - Yes!


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    to 3.) Do you mean the track diagram editor? I mean, that is planned for the future -> as a uniform picture in track diagram editor.


    Yes!


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    to 7.) GBS coordinates at reserved place (Between two locos)? What will or What do you make exactly as an example? What will should realized? You must know: The commander is no large PC, but if you do explain more, perhaps there is a possibility?


    OK! See this Picture:
    I pointed the Square Cursor and where indicate Name:


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4213/vadimav.1/0_3ab12_e6bea69a_L]


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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    Hello!
    My answers:
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    to 1.) What do you mean for a joystick? In the middle of the commander? The commander has not so many buttons also not around all functions can do.


    = Yes, i mean middle joystick. It has ability to detect pressing on it.
    Use it as turnout switching if SQUARE Cursor at diagramm focused on Turnout.


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    to 2.) Do you mean the track diagram editor? Then Ok, I could imagine that also.


    - Yes!


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    to 3.) Do you mean the track diagram editor? I mean, that is planned for the future -> as a uniform picture in track diagram editor.


    Yes!


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    to 7.) GBS coordinates at reserved place (Between two locos)? What will or What do you make exactly as an example? What will should realized? You must know: The commander is no large PC, but if you do explain more, perhaps there is a possibility?


    OK! See this Picture:
    I pointed the Square Cursor and where indicate Name:


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4213/vadimav.1/0_3ab12_e6bea69a_L]


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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    Hello Viel Grüße and Jurgen Meier!


    Sorry for some unconveience and misunderstanding!
    I think this is all because English is not our native language.


    Now i ll correct my explanations adding informative pictures.
    I think it will help:


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    All plevious problems discussed earlier now with PHOTOS:
    (Also UPDATED at WUNCHE section of forum )


    =====MAIN PROBLEMS=========:


    1) SCREEN ARE LOOSING SENSIBILITY WITH TIME!
    Please, if possible, add ability to pressing all screen buttons(not only diagramm but also side function buttons) by joystick and pressing on it.!


    2) If Number of Locos and DCC addresses is not equal Route Automation will work with ERRORS, occasionally taken Number in Loco DataBase as DCC address


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4213/vadimav.1/0_3a9f8_7d011137_L]


    If they are equal - NO ERRORS - No Confusions.


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4213/vadimav.1/0_3a9f7_5cacdcaa_L]



    ===DrawBacks and Wunches====



    1) In Loco/Diagramm mode - ability to switch thrnouts by pressing on central knob (joystick)
    (without hand pen - this is not so convenient in some cases)


    2) In Diagram Editor mode: - Ability to draw text fields (needs for enumerations of objects and names )


    3) In Diagram Editor mode: - Add special element for bridges/underway


    4) In Signal/switches mode - for turnouts - Add Decrease minimum switching time up to 0.033 sec in aim to make less noise(for AC turnout machines)
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4314/vadimav.1/0_3a9ff_f5cc6116_L]


    4.2) Add ability for feedback to added bridge/underway module as well as to stop end buffer modules.
    It will meke diagram more compact and readable!


    5) In Backup/Photos option - Add ability to save on PC and print diagrams and routes (may be some other)


    6) Add ability for RailCom indentification using together with Viessmann 5303 RailCom detector.


    7) In Loco/Diagramm mode - It would be too convenient to make the ability to INDICATE thrnout address and track feedback information from the Cursor position.
    This indication can be done below GBS coordinates at reserved place (Between two locos).


    8)In Diagram Editor mode: It would be convenient to rotate the element by left Knob and change the element from whole list - by the right knob (Now, in v052 both knobs are doing the same )


    10) In Loco / Diagram : It would be pretty to realise more fine scale for imagination, when all whole diagramm are placed at display. This is need to see and estimate all feedback tracks of largest layout.
    Please add additional fifth scale to scale icon.




    ====== In ROUTE EDITOR: =========


    0) MAIN PROBLEM:
    Please add button "ALL MTX ADJ " in "Safe Matrix" page, which would allow to adjust and interlocking listings to all routes authomatically! This will save a lot of touch-operations and WILL SAVE SCREEN!


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4309/vadimav.1/0_3a9f9_3ae70f2a_L]


    ALSO: Please make 3 different shedules (or lists of routes ) like you did 3 different diagramms
    and ability to choose and switch between them for editing


    ALSO: Please remove restriction on quantity of locked routes. Now it is equal to 40.(Length of list)
    If MTX ADJ command exceed these limits - Commander dont say error, but trains will have a lot of crashes! and You ll have a lot of pain WHY!




    1) Please adds more quantity of entries for ON THE WAY commands.


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4307/vadimav.1/0_3a9fc_5d98d02f_L]


    It needs for long trace for switching many speed limits and shutting on and off lights at tunnels.
    -Also Remove BUG with LocoRStop(possibly also LocoTStop) command, which distort screen and stops other locos
    -Now Commander executes only last command pair among commands with the same contact number, regardless to the order. This fact is illustrated by this figure:


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2914/vadimav.1/0_3a4c6_d67683b0_L]


    SOLUTION(Please tell it to main programmer of Commander):
    2)Enable ability to execute 2 or more commands belonging to the same contact at "on the way" page( In aim to make shunting for precise stopping and other functions for locomotives.)


    For more convenience You can organize this page as follows:


    ========(ON THE WAY PAGE)=========
    ---------------------
    CONTACT N1
    command1
    command2.
    ----------------------
    CONTACT N…
    command1
    command2.
    command3
    ----------------------
    ....
    ---------------------
    CONTACT N25
    command1
    ---------------------



    3) Please make END(CANCELLATION) CONTACTs also with workable function as RESPECT CONTACT(as wrote in 1.1 Manual but it doesnt still work).
    In this case it would be no need to add STOP CONTACT also to SMALL!!! RESPECT CONTACT field. If ll dont make it - another route will believe end contact of this trace as free and TRAIN COLLISION ll occur (although Safety Matrix are also works).


    4) Also please ADD more entries to cancellation command field, and add HOURGLASS command in aim to make delayed swiching off-s! Now lights are shutting off in moment of stopping, when train still moves.
    It NOT SO REALISTIC!


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4312/vadimav.1/0_3aa09_c86083ac_L]



    5) In working DIAGRAMM please CORRECT font imagination of trains in ZNR fields (Smallest scale)
    For example i see my train 'ICE-1' as 'CCE.1'
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4214/vadimav.1/0_3aa0c_e062f989_L]


    6)SPECIFIC ROUTE:
    It would be convenient to make in Route Editor additional page for list of participated loco for each route. May be it would be convenient to do so at FIRST PAGE (where the name of route) :
    Route MUST START if ZNR FIELD coincides with the ENABLED LOCO. Else Next Routes searched.

    AN EXAMPLE OF FIRST PAGE:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4311/vadimav.1/0_3a9fd_2dce503a_L]


    APPLICATIONS:
    -to remove/restore arriving long block section short train into SHORT DEPOT, while long trains must ignore movement to short depot, and uses routes for long block sections.
    - to make route with intermediate stops for suburb train, and without stops for cargo train.
    EXPLANATION:
    It's too important to make routhe which will start when a specific loco will arrive at start RM contact, saying more precisely: when ZNR field will equal to loco ID in specific command.
    As i believe, at V052 it is unpossible: I made route with commands only for specific loco.
    But this route starts when any another loco arrives at start field. In ths case arrived loco is continuing stopping, suspending all routes in whole cycle, while specific loco illegally moves being away on other route.


    7) Please making workable multiple using of time-locking commands at cancellation page. in Route editor at cancellation page. If i use 2 or more routes as time-interlocked - all automation process can suspend after 5-10 minutes.


    8) Please allow Turnouts switching HourGlass and other commands at "On the way" page.


    9) Please add RANDOM hourglass command with two time limits Minimum time, and maximum time (Timeout.)


    10) Please add LocoId E Stop command for "On The Way Commands" page. It's an emergency stop command which cause loco to stop immediately, shunting all smoothing! This is analogous to stop causing by pressing on left or right knob of Commander. In this case selected loco stops immediately!
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4314/vadimav.1/0_3aa18_6a84cd1d_L]
    This command is very important when You brake through long station, using only CV3 and CV4 smoothing (without Constant Braking Distance)
    This command can be used when loco reaches last cornering block section for precise stopping from very small speed to zero immediately!


    12) Please ADD AND/OR Condition to Activation and Cancellation Contacts (In aim to ALLOW ZNR Translation at the VERY end of RUOTE to Both Contacts )
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4309/vadimav.1/0_3a9fe_bf1976ed_L]


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9/vadimav.1/0_3a9fb_83609ecc_L]


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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    TOPIC: Precise Stops awailable! Exakt Stoppen ARBEITEN! (PICTURES)


    Hello.


    As i already tested and mentioned, we cannot make 2 commands at one contact at V052!
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2914/vadimav.1/0_3a4c6_d67683b0_L]


    I make a solution how to do this workable:
    Simly, You solder one wire in aim to cylce s88 data and allow extra numbers for the same contacts:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/8/vadimav.1/0_3a949_77073d18_L]


    Then You program at short stop contact places 2 sections of the same contacts with it's diffeent numbers:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4314/vadimav.1/0_3a94d_8ec6ab17_L]


    Now You program ON THE WAY PAGE:
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4308/vadimav.1/0_3a94c_f1d82e8b_L]



    NOTE and CHECK LOCODECODER:
    1) LocoSMini speed must be 1-2 (the minimal available value)
    2) CV3 and CV4 must be also appropriate adjusted
    3) F4 function works as SHUNTIONG for smooth behaviour!



    And NOW :
    You have absolutely precise STOP in any cases even Your loco becomes tobe not so stable due to motor and BEMF degradation!
    [Blockierte Grafik: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4308/vadimav.1/0_3a94a_570d5fca_L]



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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    Zitat von driethenauer


    But have you realy make a seperatet contact 54? I can`t see it.


    Hello driethenauer


    =======(About BUG)=============
    I will explain the BUG:
    I need 2 different commands for one contact (54) to be executed, but Commander cannot do one of them (see figure) .


    EXPLANATION: I need Stop and shunt(F4) loco simultaneously in aim of precise stopping.



    ========(About PDF)============
    Sorry, if i create some inconveniences!
    As to PDF with manual concerns at ECOS forum- This is not advertise! I wished that deutsche people of ECOS forum would understand my post and ideas about further ECOS plans. I dont speak Deutsch. Sorry me.


    Another idea - Jurgen Meier told me that majority of obvious Commander's bugs and disadvantages will not be modified in future. It's a bad news! Therefore i was intended to seek another solution for my layout and i asked meanings and plans from Heads of another manufacturers to do Route automation inside their trottles. Among them was Ecos.


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    Thanks,
    Vadim

    TO PROGRAMMERS:


    PLEASE DONT FORGET TO READ AND WRITE THIS TOPIC!
    I EDIT IT AND ADD SOME NEW BUGS FROM TIME-TO-TIME.
    I PRINT DATE OF NEW RENEWAL AFTER ADDITION OF NEW BUGS FOUNDED.


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    TO PROGRAMMER:
    PLEASE LEAVE ME YOUR EMAIL FOR DIRECT ACCESS TO YOU WITH BUGS!


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    THANKS
    VADIM