V 1.70 Errors in screen.

1. offizieller Beitrag

    Hello Jurgen!


    This is error at V1.7:


    See small video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y5GuVRKTWw
    Icons of objects is changing during scrolling.


    PROMTING FOR PROGRAMMERS:
    If You would go to diagramm and manually would switch all these turnouts but and ben (2 times ) - correct imagination of turnout icons at swithcing commands page will be restored.
    Probably, all these errors occurs due to incorrect programming of GBS and diagramm.


    Please tell about it to programmers group.
    This error must be fastly removed by programmers group.



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    Vadim

    Hello Vadim


    Well done showing this error on Youtube.


    The Company does not seem to regard the correction of the display errors as worthy of urgent attention. I think that it about time we notified retailers about these errors.


    There are others of course. Such as when setting up a route the turnout on the display doesn not always change when the turnout is operated. Similarly when a route is executed some of the turnouts on the display do not always change. Hence when changing to manual control the directions of some of the turnouts are not correct.


    The yellow illumination of tracks during the operation of a route fails to follow the full length of the route selected.


    I wrote to Mr Viessmann listing the faults in April this year and received a reply from Lothar Duning, the project manager for electronic development. He accepted that the "performance was a little poor in the recent past" and that he would discuss this with his colleagues, and that "answers to your (my) questions would follow". Since then no reply has been received. I do not think the use of the word "little" is suitable to describe the faults.


    He reported also that a new member, a computer scientist had joined the team leading me to assume that the problems would be resolved soon.


    My view is that this product should be withdrawn from sale until such time as the faults are dealt with. It is wrong to expect customers to buy the most expensive DCC controller on the market with faults such as these. When I owned the other DCC system with a graphical colour display, the ECOS, none of these faults were present.


    Part of the problem may be because the Company is dealing with the introduction of RailCom, the new booster, and the software for the "Gleisbildstellpult". The introduction of new products should not delay the correction of faults in my opinion as the existing customer base of users are those most likely to buy them. Why should we risk further investment in new products while the Company can not deal with the main product already owned by users?


    John Ferguson

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.

    Thanks John Ferguson!


    1) I think that Programmers group must be strongly strengthenen, including not only computes specialists but also real railroaders in aim to correctly join computations and railroad rules and problems.


    2) A strong direct feedback must be established between customers and programmers group at this forum, for fast feedback and correction of errors.
    Dont loose a big experience of users! They strongly helps to find out errors!


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    Vadim.

    Hi Vadim


    I agree with everything you have said but will the Company listen?


    John

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.

    Zitat von John Ferguson

    Hi Vadim


    I agree with everything you have said but will the Company listen?


    John


    John, You know Deutsch?
    If Yes, You can freely call to head of Viessmann make an appointment for visit and discuss this topic.


    I dont know Deutsch. But i tell with head people of RZD (Russian Railroads). They said that when they will visit Germany, they will meet Viessmann head and tell about it.


    We have some museums with railroad modelling layouts and have some Viessmann Commanders for control, and have problems which we must havent...
    Also they must strongly propose and make flourish of trumpets for Viessmann in Russia but in case of excellent working of this device.


    I make a clip of 2 layouts in one museum in Moscow, where Commander works (after a lot of error determination and fixation).


    VIDEO:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4k9GuNSCCY


    This 2 layouts are simple, but If You ll attentive, You will notify precise stopping of all trains(Independant of changing smoothing due to time, BEMF degradation, variability of delaying commands, etc...), which i made not because of but in defiance of Viessman ideology!
    Train must NEWER CRASH!


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    Vadim.

    Hi Vadim


    I am based in the Uk and do not know any German.


    I was impressed by the use of the Commander at the museum. The fact is the Commander does deliver automation and driving trains manually. However its reputation is damaged by the bugs in the display.


    Best wishes


    John

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.



    Yes John! It's possible to find out and overcome all bugs and make fully automation stable in Commander.
    I found a rules for it ! Most of them i discussed at this forum.


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    Vadim

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    hi vadim, your message is not complete with your video. the error begins much earlier. You must have a false symbol bevore. Maybe a Lckopipe symbol you have had. Please correct the switch so that you can turn them in running route editor. if necessary with the new Softwarer storege cleaner. If the symbol is displayed as a real switch you have no more wrong graphic symbols at the scrool.

    Zitat von Jürgen Meier

    Maybe a Lckopipe symbol you have had...


    Hello Jurgen.
    Please explain more precisely,:
    1) What is Lckopipe symbol ?
    2) And where i must correct it? May be in Diagramm?


    As to diagramm(not routes) - some turnouts at diagramm can change occupancy status of some contacts, or, even transform turnout and start key sympols on to another one.



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    Vadim

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    Hello Vadim,
    1. Locopipe means the symbol what the Commander ha as picture give for function keys and sounds in the Loco editor.
    2. this symbol you get for a non functionaly scwitch before you have the effect what you shown in your video. please check on the commander screen (GBS) that the switch moved. Than you have no failer.
    helpful is to use the storage cleaner and test the function of switches again in the GBS.

    Zitat von Jürgen Meier

    Hello Vadim,
    1. Locopipe means the symbol what the Commander ha as picture give for function keys and sounds in the Loco editor.
    2. this symbol you get for a non functionaly scwitch before you have the effect what you shown in your video. please check on the commander screen (GBS) that the switch moved. Than you have no failer.
    helpful is to use the storage cleaner and test the function of switches again in the GBS.


    Ok. Jurgen, I have a lot of switches at GBS screen(Diagramm) which are incorrectly imagines by another symbols.
    If i will delete it and, then, add it again as new and correct , this error happenes again after some time of working.


    I will try to use Your Curing programm.


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    Thanks,


    Vadim.

    I have received an explanation from Jurgen Meier about the illumination of routes.


    The reason the whole of the route is not illuminated is that it only applied to the visible part of the track layout. Hence if the screen is scrolled that part which was not previously visible will not be illuminated. I no longer consider this to be a fault in the system.


    John


    Ich habe eine Erklärung von Jürgen Meier über die Beleuchtung der Wege erhalten.


    Der Grund der ganzen Strecke nicht beleuchtet ist, dass es nur auf den sichtbaren Teil der Streckenführung angewendet. Daher, wenn der Bildschirm gescrollt wird, dass ein Teil, die vorher nicht sichtbar wird nicht beleuchtet werden. Ich weiß nicht mehr halten dies für einen Fehler im System sein.

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.

    Zitat von John Ferguson

    I have received an explanation from Jurgen Meier about the illumination of routes.


    The reason the whole of the route is not illuminated is that it only applied to the visible part of the track layout. Hence if the screen is scrolled that part which was not previously visible will not be illuminated. I no longer consider this to be a fault in the system.


    John


    But, it must be illuminated everywhere through route! Where is the logic of making this indication?
    It must ever work, ever dont make it at all!


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    Vadim

    Hi Vadim


    I agree with you that the illumination of a route should cover the whole length of the track but it seems that only showing the illumination on the visible screen without scrolling is the best the Company can offer. I would expect this to be corrected in a future update.


    John

    Commander with S88 Littfinski feedback for track monitoring and reed switches.


    5 amp booster connected to the CDE port.


    Lenz LI-USB interface connecting to a laptop via the LSB bus using RocRail software to drive trains manually via an Android phone.

    Zitat von John Ferguson

    Hi Vadim


    I agree with you that the illumination of a route should cover the whole length of the track but it seems that only showing the illumination on the visible screen without scrolling is the best the Company can offer. I would expect this to be corrected in a future update.


    John


    I also would be...., but i m starting to loose my hope.
    All my people told me that Viessmann is loosing its position in the marked as dependable supplier.
    This is also concerns drops in RailCom.


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    Vadim.